Posts by JF91

Quote from red51

Hmm... a high ping (and maybe also some packet loss) results in a much lower throughput. If you have a 100 MBit/s connection, for example, a ping of 300 ms and 1% packet loss results in a remaining throughput of less than 0.5 MBit/s, for example.

You could check the packet loss by typing "networkstats" into console while you're on the server. If there is a notable packet loss, this could be the reason for the low throughput.

The Java version was actually working a bit different. It used both TCP and UDP and used multiple connections / channels, while the new version only uses a single UDP connection. The approach of the Java version was better in case of high pings, but TCP is also a bit tricky, because it requires a continuous connection (interrupts result in a disconnect). There were some cases where the ISP automatically closes TCP connections after 10 minutes, resulting in a disconnect (some RW players were suffering from this issue in the past, mostly when using cable internet)... this is also the reason why the majority of games only use UDP for networking nowadays (because it's a "connectionless" protocol) - but on the other hand, most games also have a lot less traffic than RW, so this may not be a problem there...

We have to see if we can find ways to improve the situation... Of course there is also a chance that there is still a bug in the game, so we definitely have to take a closer look at this issue

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ran the networkstats command a few times, see results. I also timed how long it takes me to log into a server. It took 3 minutes 55 seconds.

Quote from red51

Hmm... we ran tests with up to 1M construction elements What sort of "lag" do other people experience when you log in? Actual lags, i.e. a considerable delay when they place or break stuff, or performance issues (game stutters, freezes, low fps etc)?

The latter would be very weird, but the former could be a networking thing. If the server is busy sending you the chunk data (37K construction elements result in 4MB of data the server has to send to you, but that first gets compressed, so probably we're talking about 1-2MB), this may prevent the server from handling other world-related things. Do you have a high ping to that server? The higher the ping, the lower the bandwidth to the server (although it's still a bit weird that 37K elements [which really isn't too much] is already causing issues for 30 seconds)

I do have very high ping, usually around 300 (I live in Australia, server in the UK). I dont know exactly what their lag is like, I have just been told that its very noticeable. Because of my ping I always have bad lag no matter what. But I do notice it is far worse than it ever was in the java version, with the same connections and ping.

red51 have you done performance testing regarding the number of construction elements? My cathedral is up to 37764 elements and it causes a noticeable amount of lag to the whole server when I log in (other players tell me they know when I am logging in, because their game gets laggy for about 30 seconds). Do you have any idea how performance will be effected as that number goes up? I estimate the finished structure will be around 60,000 elements.

Hi Red, thanks for the update. I believe the "Adapt to World Element" function has broken with the update. I press the key and nothing happens. Other people in the same server are having the same issue so I assume its a bug and not just me

Quote from MommaT

Wow! Well that explains the lag when you come on, brother! It's truly amazing and going to be beautiful. I bet you'll be done before Notre Dame is restored. I'll have to come by for Mass when you're finished. Would love to see a video demonstration of how you do the vaulting.

yeah combined with my high australian ping.
I hope so, I don't want to spend years and years on this. I started construction 40 days ago.
The vaults took a lot of experimentation, but I found some tricks to get it done in the end. happy to share techniques with anyone :). The real tricky part was the 5 sided, assymetrical 5 pillar vaults in the ambulatory section. That entire part of the cathedral had to be build without using the grid.

Quote from Deirdre

JF91 I saw your cathedral on Medieval Realms a few days ago, a really great work. And created in survival mode is even more grandiose. Do you work with CAD or building plans?

I made a 2D floor plan before I started construction so that I could have all the geometry mapped out. But after that it's all been built as I go, no 3D models or anything. So I still have no plans for the towers or spire, I'll work that out soon. I have taken a lot of inspiration from real world cathedrals, but also putting my own spin on it all.

Quote from Avanar

Awesome! And remarkable that you do this in survival. Especially a cathedral has tons of repetitive parts. And it looks really nice so far. Keep it going

Thanks! Yep building 56 identical vaulted ceilings without blueprints was interesting, each containing more than 200 construction elements haha. Now I have to decorate 56 large windows.

My work in progress cathedral on the Medieval Realms server. A big and slow burning project, all built in survival mode with no blueprints. In its current state it contains 27506 construction elements, approximately 190 blocks long, 90 blocks wide, and the naive is about 52 blocks tall. A lot of work left. Everything black is makeshift work platforms and not part of the final build.

Quote from red51

Does it always happen after getting this message? Or is it the first time you got this message?

This message basically indicates that there is a desync between the client and the server. This could be either caused by the internet connection, or by a bug in the game...

Cant say for sure because I have not kept track of every time it happens. But I have had that error multiple times, and from memory it matched pretty well with the bug. I can keep track of whether it happens next time.

Quote from red51

Thanks for the reports! Is there a specific situation when this happens? I guess this always happens after changing the tool, is that correct?

Is the only way to fix this to quit the game (or reconnect to the server)? What happens if you drop the particular item and pick it up again, is it still acting weird then?

So far it looks like it only happens in multiplayer?

just happened again and it reminded me. So I dropped out of the server and get the message "You have been kicked from the server! Illegal state limit exceeded! Please check your internet connection and make sure you are not using modified game files"

I logged back into the server and my axe and sledgehammer are both functioning as a pickaxe.

I dont know the specific situation that triggers this bug unfortunately. I definitely switch tools, but I dont know if that is what causes it. The first sign that I have the bug is usually that the tool just makes the wrong sound. I went to knock down a plant with my axe and it made the wrong sound, and lifted the dirt around it like a rake. I was not doing anything strange leading up to that.

The only way to fix is quit the game and restart, leaving and re-entering the server does not fix it! I have only observed it in multiplayer, but I only play multiplayer so cant confirm whether it happens offline. In case it is relevant, I have a high ping in the server (>250).

just sent another, sledge hammer functioning as pickaxe

Quote from red51

I can confirm this happens sometimes, but unfortunately I wasn't able to reproduce it yet If it happens again, please send a report about this (just open the console and type "report", then add some information about this like "pickaxe suddenly functions as rake") - maybe this helps us to find out what causes this issue

Thanks, I have just sent in a report. My steel axe is functioning as a rake.

I have had a strange bug several times now where 1 tool begins to function like a different tool - for example a pickaxe begins to function as a rake. The tool makes the different tool sound - for example hitting stone with a pickaxe makes the sound that a rake should make hitting stone, not the pick axe sound. The function is also swapped, the material actually increases in size as if I am right click raking it, rather than getting destroyed by the pick axe. I have had the same issue with a sythe as well.

Leaving and re-entering a server does not fix the issue, but closing and re-opening the game does fix it.

Sorry I don't have any better details to give!

sorry when I say minimal latency, maybe I had half a second to a second, something not ideal but playable. Now I have like 20s often, which is basically unplayable.

Quote from Avanar

Well, if the Ping is that high its a matter of the server connection, not the game i guess. Might be that the server is on the other side of the world maybe. Better look for a server with low Ping

Yes but on the java version I played on the same server with the same ping and had minimal latency. So I am no IT expert, but I feel like the same ping is much less tolerable than it was previously.

I have been getting crazy long delays for actions on servers with >300 ping. I am talking 10-30 seconds at times. Other times it will randomly work fine and give me a <1s delay on the same server with the same ping doing the same activity. On the java version it was never anything like this. Any idea what might cause it?

I can swing my pickaxe at a whole row of 10 or 20 blocks, go stand back for 10 seconds, and then watch the whole row implode. If I am raking a path I can rake 10s of meters of path and then watch it eventually take effect many seconds later. Same goes for opening chests, chopping trees.

Yes it was on the medieval realms server

Sorry I just noticed, I also lost my entire inventory except for an iron axe! There goes everything I have.....

I was rowing my Rowboat on an online server and my internet dropped causing a disconnection. When I come back in game, the boat is there but I get red text "no free seat was found" when I try to get in. I assume because of the disconnection it thinks the boat is still occupied?