I believe we will have all these features in the Unity version. And, of course, something that will make desert islands worth visiting - pyramids with undergeound treasure chambers!
May you are right! Skipping these features would be a mistake!
And the pyramids with mazes would be good to have back too. Just hope the devs put something more challenging in those tombs this time, such as traps and mummy enemies lurking around.
I haven't seen any dungeons either on Unity
Sure, these ones are must-haves too.
But they are confirmed to be on the way, so I skipped them on the list.
Said before, and I do again: The Unity Version is incomparably better than the old version. Easily mops the ground with its Java face!
However, there are a few great features from the old game that are yet to come back to the new one, and would surely make it even greater. There is the list:
- With the many more cooking options we have now, two great items to have back are the grill and the smoker. They are must-haves for the perfect barbecue! The latter being a top gear. One of the few high points of the Java Version was using the smoker, completed with an interactable lid that we could close and see the smoke coming from the pipe. We could almost smell the sweet cooking meat!
- On combat, Java Version also topped. We already got almost every sword and one morningstar, but with the many beasts, enemies and monsters we already have, there is more than enough reasons for all the weapons of the previous game to come back. For this, I mean from the wooden club to the many axes, battle axes, maces, and battle hammers we had! They are just too epic to skip! And let's not forget the other two bows. Naturally, the uncraftable ones should be kept this way, so then we would have even more reasons to hunt for POIs, as well as venturing into the upcoming dungeons. Maybe this all have already been confirmed to come back in a Combat Update of sorts, but just in case...
- When it comes to exploring, the flare from the old game would be extremely useful! Imagine how easier it would be to check unexplored caves, in special those deep, water-flooded ones, with this tool at hand!
- Java Version used to have some nice clothing as well. We already have some nice armour options, but getting the military set back would be good for some modern fashion option. Other item that would help a lot now is the Heat Protection suit, once we now have have reasons to explore the underworld, and its heat is a pain to endure. Other vests that could return are the Hazmat, cool by itself and useful in case we eventually get nuclear power (or some sort of radioactive biomes or ruins one day, which would not be a bad idea), as well as the "camuflage" vest, aka the plant suit, that was fun to wear, but could be turned into something useful in Unity Version, such as providing concealment against animals and enemies.
- At the subject of decoring, Java Version yet has some advantages. But one of the most notable aspects is the presence of indoor lamp options. There were many nice lights available, such as long ceiling lamps, hanging bulbs, table lamps of many kinds, even a golden chandeleir! At the new version, on the other hand, we have mostly flame-based light sources, with only two or three Electric light around. So, re-introducing these items is a welcome even of options.
- Speaking of light, the torch holders, both wood and metal, were a great tool for ilumination and cave mapping at the old game. The garden torches work fine, but those holders were a lot more practical to use, as any surface held them. As of now, we only have a "pre-made" holder, that even forces us to spend a torch permanently on it, preventing further reuse, and can only be made of metal, instead of both metal or wood. So, it would be very helpful if such items were brought back, just like they used to be.
- A small feature, but the traffic cones, boom barriers and road delineadora would be great items to have again in the game. At least, when cars get introduced, so then we would have a more meaningful use for these.
- Now, on mobs. The Unity Version already beats Java Version when it comes to wildlife, in both especies and behavior. However, there are some good mobs that are still missing: Giraffes, tigers and leopards. I know the hot region already has its fair share of mobs, and more work should be put into the cold region instead, as it's the "deadest" we have so far. But still, these were nice touches to the scenery of the legacy game, and would bring even more life and excitement to the savannas of the new version. Or, in the tigers case, maybe to the jungles of it, as these are the most common habitat for these animals.
- For last, despite of all the many POIs we have now, something I still miss a lot are the abandoned cabins of the Java Version. The devs should bring these back at a later patch as a new POI (not as a dungeon), as such constructions fit perfectly with the somewhat post-apocalyptic game world we now have. Moreover, they had a whole charm of their own, with the decaying furniture we could only find in them, featuring even a still playable piano! So please, bring these back! Excluding them from the new game would be a crime.
Note: This is not an exhaustive list. There are surely some other features, mostly furniture, that would also be nice to get back, but I am not going after each one. If you feel there is something else missing, feel free to list on the comments.
I also skipped features whose return has already been confirmed by the devs, such as the other firearms.
That's all I can tell by now. Hope this reminder helps making the game even better. And as was said, if you miss something else from the old game that has not been listed, please contribute.
The next update will definitely add bandits, barbarians and wolves, as mentioned by james1bow and Vandoide
Skeletons and 2 other enemies will probably also be ready in time, but there is no final decision about their spawn location yet. The 2 enemies I've mentioned will most likely spawn in hell.
For skeletons, we want to add an option to let them spawn at the surface at night (they will then disappear at daybreak). This is a controversial feature, so feedback for that will be quite important
If there will be an option for skeletons at night, this should be a thing with no doubt.
After all, if it is to be optional, those who don't like it should simply turn the feature off. Issue solved!
We are for sure getting bandit skeletons and wolves with the next update. Last o knew anyway
Bandits, wolves and BARBARIANS are guaranteed. Skeletons... Would be a great addition, but the devs did not promise those. At least, not in an oficial note, so better not bet.
I am almost sure these won't be in.
Regarding Mobs, their focus was on human NPCs and wolves. I think that skeletons, being monsters, will have some peculiarities of their own, and that would take an extra labor JIW Games preferred to save for later. Specially because their Trello Board tag it as "In progress", rather than "done".
But even if these get introduced as a surprise feature, rest assured: Mobs do not spawn close to the parts of the world you modified, so your cave will not get unintended visitors.
one possible fix on the bear issue without making them more rare is to make three different bears with different behavior depending on biome
like in real life, thick forests up north has grizzlies which would be the most aggressive once, and regular forests has the common brown bear that, in real life you play dead until it goes away, similar in-game mechanic could be stand still, and grasslands could have black bears that runs away rather than confronts the player
Great idea!
Red........ bears appearing in grass fields is realistic...... they do not appear in just forests alone........instead of removing the bears from the grassfield maybe the way to do this is to reduce the chance of bears generating there.
Theoretically, they are already rare there. But even still, they can be a hard time for newcomers. Not sure making the even rarer would help...
This feedback is only interesting for survival mode. I wonder why people always assume that Rising World is a survival game, it's offered as Sandbox game, so for every player.
Well, as the game has a dedicated survival mode, I don't know why we should not take this a backbone of the game. Also, I don't play creative, so I am not giving feedback over something I don't know.
I totally agree with LittleBoBleat
All gameplay mechanics should exist with a purpose, I can't stand it if games have "features" that are only mediocre at best and give you no good reason to interact with them. For example the game starts in a classic survival/stone age setting but it doesn't' feel like survival ... resources are plenty, animals are easy to hunt, you can outrun everything like a cheetah and climb a whole mountain in seconds.
(And yes, of course I know that the game is still in development and many things will change in the future :D)
Technological progress in planned for the long run, either as a leveling system or some sort of research. But we won't have all recipes at hand right from the start.
This is for later, however, as the developers have other priorities right now.
Display MoreBuilding off of og’s post, some other feedback:
Animals:
While wild animals do a lot of damage, I’m all for it. Reason being the player can currently outrun any animal in-game, and can take down even neutral/aggressive animals with primitive stone tools without taking damage by staying behind them (turn is slow). Some animals that could defend themselves don’t (or don’t defend babies/herdmates), and willingly let players get close enough to attack. However, some food for thought:
1. Untamed (non-aggressive) animals should be skittish around players, moving away if the player gets too close. This also means that wild sheep cannot be shorn and wild cows/goats/sheep cannot be milked (which is more realistic if we have taming).
2. Adult animals should be faster than the player. Not only does it add a sense of danger for larger animals (although you can use terrain advantages to escape), but it encourages the realistic use of ranged weapons for hunting. Animals, with the exception of babies and maybe chickens, should be able to outrun any melee combat.
3. Animals turn speed should be adjusted and/or faster to prevent cheesing.
4. Most animals should defend themselves, their baby, and/or a herdmate if attacked (cows and pigs are very dangerous irl).
(Red already responded to this)
5. Add visual gender differences for animals missing them, like chickens (rooster vs hen), pigs (boar vs sow), and horses (stallion vs mare). Will really benefit from this in future breeding.
Can’t wait for the taming update!
Food:
Food is too easy to obtain. Between easy hunting, frequent (and very filling) apples, and crops found practically everywhere, my character doesn’t need to put in any effort to find / obtain food.
1. More challenging hunting. Animals move away from the player if too close, requiring ranged weapons and crouching to get within range of a hit. Currently swimming in meat due to easy hunting.
2. Wild crops should be harder to come by, so harvesting by hand could give you a seed, a crop, or a rotten crop, rather than guaranteed food. Certain crops can’t be eaten uncooked anyways (ex: potatoes).
3. Reduce number of fruit trees. Apples fill up way too much food/water, and should be greatly reduced in value to encourage other sources of nourishment (ex: 1 food, 2 water). However, the value is better when in recipes such as apple pie (when cooking update comes out).
4. Add seasons that certain crops (or trees) can grow in, so apples and wild crops aren’t available (or found in the wild) year round.
5. Increased food/water drain, especially in hot/cold climates, when low health (uses to recover health), or when recovering stamina after being completely used up.
Gameplay Extension:
Currently the gamplay is very quick, going from primitive stone to metal tier as soon as you find an ore node.
1. Extend primitive tier. Start with no tools, tiers being more so wood —> stone —> copper / iron —> steel (not iron), etc. Bone and antler tools could also be a possibility before iron tier. Each tier can only harvest the materials for the tiers below it (if any) and the one directly above it.
2. Tools can only harvest particular resources. The beginning tool (if kept) could be a primitive axe that only harvests wood, but shouldn’t be an all-in-one. Loose stone is found on the ground as is (possibly sticks too if added) and can be used to obtain stone tools.
3. Use stamina when using tools, and reduce stamina usage while running. Chopping trees and mining ore take no stamina, but running takes a lot.
4. Other ways to extend the game length between tiers. Hoping to make the beginning more challenging and increase length of play. 😄
There is a point I commented as a flaw at another talk: The one-hit-kills we can do with any weapon of the game, even the stone ones, are quite overpowered. They should do a 2X or 2.5X more damage, but not instant kill.
Display MoreThanks a lot for your feedback!
Sorry that I've missed your post on Steam... IDK why this happened
Yeah, this was indeed an oversight, but we will change it with the next update
Currently the rifle comes with 5 bullets by default, but probably it's better to remove the gunpowder requirement
We'll change that with the next update, too.
Unfortunately the game cannot get the attack speed from the database (because it solely depends on the animations), that's why no DPS is exposed yet... adding this is still on our to-do list and probably will be available with one of the next updates. But maybe we could at least expose the "damage per hit" in the meantime until more information are available
Good point! I'll put this on our to-do list
Yes, animals are indeed too strong... we will reduce the damage with the next update, but probably we'll also add a "hit damage factor" setting (but only available through the config file for now).
This was mentioned a few times, so maybe it's better if we remove bears for now from the grass field
Defensive animals currently ignore if you attack one of their mates... previously they already got angry if one of their mates just got the "alert" state (which was already triggered by a gunshot or when cutting down a tree, for example), but players were confused by this behaviour. So right now they just ignore it.
But some changes to this handling are still on our to-do list
No problem! We are all awared of how busy you are developing the game, is it okay to miss some topics.
And good to know my post was useful to improve the game.
I was not sure if I should post this here or as a comment at the update release news. So, I decided to write it here, so then more people can contribute too.
I have to say that the biomes and caves update is a blast! No doubt, it worthed the wait!
There are, however, some points I would like to address, so then the game may get even better than it is already becoming:
1. The waterskin recipe still requires cloth to craft. Now that we have leather, I believe that resource should be the one to go. Maybe the devs forgot to update this recipe.
2. Also about recipes: The repeater rifle still requires gunpowder to craft. I am awared that it has been added as a requirement to craft the weapon as a "placeholder" for its amunition, which was unavailable before this patch. Bit now that bullets are a thing, my guess is that it is not required anymore. Once again, maybe the JIW Games team skipped this one too.
3. A great addition this update brought us is listing the food/water/health values of consumable items, a feature never done in Java Version. Also, bringing back the visible status values of clothes. This all is very helpful for sure! However, there is one point missing: The values of weapons, like damage, attack speed, etc... This was huge flaw of the old version (we had to check the forums for this), so if you could add this one feature as well, the gameplay would greatly improve.
4. Speaking of status, it would also be a huge quality of life improvement if the game allowed us to see the status of wearables, weapons and food items at the crating screen, before we craft/cook them. This way, we would be able to know if they are worth making without being forced to waste resources for this, or doing unnecessary web search.
5. The animal are too powerful! My character was hearing the leather outfit and the medieval mining helmet. It all gave a combined armour value of 50 points. And even so, after engaging rams or goats, they reduce the health bar to nearly half in 3 headbutts! And they are not even the "true" beasts! So, I believe this point of gameplay could use some revision. Or the devs could add a combat difficult setting to make things easier for those that so desire.
6. Another animal threat point: Bears on the grass fields. Of all the additions and tweaks this patch brought us, this is the only one I consider a bad move. I mean, those biomes are supposed to be a "safe haven" for our character to do the very early game progression, like basic weapons and tools, so why make the most power animal of the temperate islands spawn there?! I understand that maybe the dev team don't want to make that territory too peaceful and boring, so there is some theat. But at least make it be boars or wolves, when they become a thing, not effing bears! This is so unfair... And before you mention it: I understand that these animals may inhabit such biomes in real life, but this is a game, not a wildlife simulation, so a good gameplay comes first.
7. And one last point on animal aggression: I am not sure, but it seem that killing an animal with a headshot don't aggravate the rest of the herd. They react if the attack is not lethal, but seem to ignore the death of their "mate" if it is. Probably there is a bug here. Note that this only affects defensive animals, the passive ones still run away on headshoted herd members.
That is it. May this helps making the Unity version of the game even better. Also, feel free to contribute if you also have appointments regarding the new update.
Sailing
As alreadyci mentined, I want the Gorch Fock to admire and a little sailing boat for lmy own.
Not sure I got all you said, but I believe you liked the idea, so thanks!
Vandoide: with regard to the permanent pressing of the forward button, an "Arduino pro micro" would be ideal - see my automatic yarn production
I appreciate people make solutions for these little issues. But I wish there was a more natural solution for it. Also, sailing has a whole charm of its own, no?
Greetings.
I came up with an idea that could be useful for the game. Thought about it while playing Salt 2, which also features an islandscape world:
Rising World could have small sailboats as early game vehicles. The reason for these is that rowboats are too slow for island traveling or ocean debraving, and RIBs will require fuel eventually. Moreover, pressing the forward key during all those travels is quite annoying.
So, this is how these would work: They would be like the rowboat we have, but would feature a sail for its propulsion (duh) as well as a helm for control. The player would interact with the sail directly to rise ond lower it (there will be no key to control it) and them use the helm as its pilot "seat", to steer left and right. With the sail lowered, the boat would automatically go forward, no need for a throttle key for it to move. Under normal conditions, they would be a slower than the RIBs, but faster than the rowboats. However, they would be affected by the direction of the wind, so it goes slower or faster if against or toward the wind. Like the rowboat, they would have a single seat.
(These piloting details are based on how I believe the sail vehicles will work. Of course, the sailboat should match de devs plan for sailing mechanics, so if they diverge, ignore my appointments.)
The sailboats would be crafted like its row counterpart, but instead of rows, they would have a "sail" component, consisting of the sail and the helm. Such component would require a little more wood, as well as a decent amount of cloth for the sail. They may or not feature the store compartment, I am not sure.
That is all about it. What do you think?
In many cases when I don't understand anything due to asian, russian, arab, korean etc special letters google translate gives me at least a clue about what they are writing. Of course it is not perfect, but it might help me to assist with a link to the correct website where they can find the info they seek.
In special cases of course google translate fails terribly. I remember a case (in a different game) where a developer wrote something like "use WASD and space to move up". The german player did not understand this and used google translate and did not understand at all afterwards. I did the same and the translation read like "Nutze Wäsche und Raum zu bewegen hoch" - backtranslated to english it would be something like "use laundry and room to move up"
I really had a good laugh at that day.
Yes, these troubles may happen. But I will rely on them more now and then.
Not everybody speaks english (or portugese). Best is you use google translator. But for this one - Rüdi said "Yes, Vandoide. These are good ideas and i think something like that will be provided in this game as well at some point.
I personally don't like to rely on translators because they can give us wrong translations once in a while. They are pretty good now, I know, but still, there is aways a chance for mistakes translations.
Will give a try next time tough, as we can't rely on a folk to come in and help us like you did.
Ja Vandoide das sind gute Ideen und ich denke dass so etwas auch mal im Spiel zur Verfügung stehen wird.
Avanar was my spokesman here, so now I got it.
Thanks for liking it! And let's hope they do add this. This would take a while, however, as the devs have other priorities for now.
Ja Vandoide das sind gute Ideen und ich denke dass so etwas auch mal im Spiel zur Verfügung stehen wird.
Sorry, I don't speak German. English or portuguese please.
