Posts by red51

Quote from george1979k

Here is the link:

Thanks for the link. Actually the triangle count is not as bad as I thought, the loc just consists of ~10,000 triangles (which is absolutely fine for something like this). The model file itself (the .3ds file) btw. just has a size of 420 KB.
This model uses proper UV mapping, with some adjustments it should be possible to just use 2 textures (i.e. split it into 2 submodels). If the interior doesn't matter for you, it would be sufficient to just use a single texture (i.e. you don't have to split the model at all)

Quote from george1979k

All I want to do is add some traffic lights,dumpsters,containers,fire hydrants and some trains in different sections of the city for decoration

Basically that's no problem. Especially smaller models (e.g. a fire hydrant) often just consist of 1 texture.

Quote from george1979k

the triangle limit is for the total amount of models added in the game

It's just for the total amount of models that are visible simultaneously.

Quote from george1979k

I can see at least 70-80 trees

Unfortunately you can't compare it directly... when trees are further away, just a simple tree model (consisting of just 8 triangles) is rendered. Those trees are also baked into the environment, so the tree and the ground are one single mesh. Eventually we can offer some sort of LOD control for models in the long run, but the first release of the API won't have something like this.
Triangle count btw. is not the only factor that influences performance. More important is the amount of total objects that are visible. Having 1000 objects with just 10 triangles per object is much worse than having one single object with 10,000 triangles.

Quote from george1979k

Thats why I wonder how bad it could possibly be

Well, in singleplayer it's not a big problem. It's always important to have an eye on triangles and total object count. The loc with 10,000 triangles is fine, if you place 10 of them at the same place (and maybe more locs 1 mile away) you don't run into any issues at all. But when having a houseplant consisting of 500,000 triangles, and you place 10 of them in your house, you will definitely see an impact on performance (always depends on your hardware ofc)

Quote from george1979k

Also,I only play singleplayer.I dont care about creating a server. Am I still gonna be able to add 3D models into my world?

Yes, basically everything that's available in multiplayer is available in singleplayer as well. The same applies to the API

Quote from george1979k

Lastly,this locomotive model below is 2Mb and now I know it wont carry textures

This still looks like a high detail model.. Can you eventually provide a link to the model file? Then I can tell you more about it^^
It really depends on what you want to do exactly. For example if the loc has 100,000 triangles, that's quite a lot (I'd say it's "too much"), however, if you just want to use it in singleplayer and place 5 locs in your world and that's it, you won't have any problems at all.
One have to watch out to not exceed a certain triangle limit. Modern graphics cards can handle between 1 and 10 million triangles quite well.

Quote from george1979k

How do I split the model into sections to add the texture in each one?

You have to do that in a 3D modelling program. For example 3D Studio Max, Cinema4D or Blender (which is available for free).

Quote from george1979k

I found this 3D plant model

The model does not carry any textures, or more precisely, it will never be loaded automatically, so you always have to assign a texture manually. Some models you find on the internet consist of several textures, of course this does not work when loading it into the game, so you have to split the model into several submodels (there is always the rule: 1 texture per model).
It's better when a model has proper UV-mapping, so all different parts are just on a single texture

Be aware that some models you find on the internet don't have any textures at all, but just consist of different colors in combination with some effects (those models are usually not intended for games). In this case there is no way to get them into the game (you can still load the model, but there is no way to transfer any color information or effects into the game).

Btw, according to the image, this looks like a high detail model. Although there is no triangle limit in the game, you have to make sure that your models don't have too much triangles, otherwise it will have a big impact on performance. Models for games usually don't have that much triangles, but a lot of models you find on the internet are often ultra-high-detail, which is fine for rendering purposes, but not suitable for games (e.g. when a plant has hundreds of thousands of triangles, it will cause a massive drop in framerate already after placing just a few of them).

Quote from george1979k

Several free online 3d models,like trees for example, have the leaf texture and also the trunk texture

If the leaf texture and the trunk texture are two separate textures, you have to load the leaves and the trunk as two separate models.

Quote from george1979k

lets say that the average size of a 3d model is 10Mb

10 MB is quite a lot. This indicates that the model has probably an insane level of detail. As a reference, a maple tree in Rising World has around 6200 triangles, the filesize of an obj would be around 500 KB only. Or the current piano, an obj file would just be around 15 KB.

Quote from george1979k

Will the addition of a great amount of models drain the game performance

Biggest problem would be the bandwidth. All data have to be transferred from the server to the client (of course this doesn't apply to singleplayer), but when the client has to download several GB before joining a server, it would be quite problematic
But if model files are really that big, it indicates that they consist of too many triangles, and this would result in poor performance...

Quote from Deirdre

Mods wie in ARK oder in Minecraft.

Das ist etwas anderes. Mods im klassischen Sinne waren schon immer möglich und sind auch weiterhin möglich. Prinzipiell ist RW genauso modfähig wie Minecraft es zu Alphazeiten war.
Die kommende API wird lediglich eine universelle Schnittstelle bieten, worüber serverseitige Plugins erstellt werden (die natürlich auch im Singleplayer genutzt werden können). Im Gegensatz zu traditionellen Mods können darüber keine Spieldateien verändert werden, sondern lediglich im vordefinierten Rahmen das Spielgeschehen beeinflusst oder erweitert werden. Genau dasselbe wie die Lua API, nur natürlich noch umfangreicher.

That's true Actually WBB changed the way how links are handled, the capitalisation doesn't matter at all, but the query structure (the ? after "index.php" instead of /).
Luckily there is a compatibility option available, so old links should work again now

Wann genau tritt der Fehler auf? Sporadisch oder immer zum selben Zeitpunkt?

Is this the full error message? It looks like there is a problem initializing the Steam API, does it help to restart Steam (make sure you don't run Steam in offline mode)? Or does it work when restarting the computer?

Quote from SilverSatin

Does this mean.... instant PvP/no PvP switching without touching the overal flag settings

Well... this is not exactly what I was referring to, but irrespective of that, yeah this PvP limitation will no longer be a problem with the new API

Quote from Miwarre

Will it be possible to craft items programmatically like in the "item [name] [selector] [qty]" console command, not to place them in the world -- this is already kind of possible -- but for instance to give to players?

Unfortunately the first API version is not capable of doing this. However, once the API is available, there will be a new section in the forum where people can request new features or functions for the API

Quote from ArcaneDesmond

1) With this new API will we be able to add new plants, animals, food and or mob drops?

You can only add static models. So you could add a new plant, for example, but it won't behave like a plant (so if you add a tree model for example, it's just static and you can't chop it like other trees). When it comes to animals it's getting more complicated: Theoretically you could do this with the 3d model (however, no animations will be possible this way), but you have to handle all AI related stuff yourself, which would be possible, but extremely complicated But I'm sure that it will be possible to add new animals etc. in the long run.

Quote from ArcaneDesmond

2) Can we add new custom blocks, crafting recipes, tools and functions?

That's not possible with the first API release. However, it's on our list, so later versions of the API will allow you to create custom recipes, items, furniture etc.

Quote from ArcaneDesmond

3) In the game files I have seen 16 different types of ore, tanning racks and a lot of other stuff. Would it be possible for us to activate these through use of mods?

Of course you can create a mod for it, but this would be independent of the API. Or in other words, the API is unable to modify any clientside files.

Quote from george1979k

I guess underwater visibility will be increased/improved once we get underwater ruins

Actually a diving suit and scuba gear is in the works, but it will only be available with the new playermodels^^

Quote from Captian_Cornball

when we import 3D models, are the textures attached to them or do we have to use the in-game textures?

You have to assign a texture to it (i.e. load a texture from your hard drive). There is an "Image" object in the API which can be used for all kinds of images (GUI images, textures etc). The image object can be reused, so if you have a wood texture, for example, you can assign it to multiple custom models (but the image will only be transferred to the client once). Supported formats are jpg, png, tga and dds (which is the most preferable format in order to reduce memory consumption).
Later it will also be possible to access the in-game textures directly, but I'm afraid this won't be ready for the first API release.

Quote from lenko

Was stellt ihr uns dann eigentlich bezüglich auf die API zu Verfügung?

Weitestgehend das, was Lua ermöglicht hat, zuzüglich der Sachen die im Eingangspost erwähnt sind. Und natürlich noch ein paar andere kleinere Funktionen, die keiner Erwähnung wert wären. Aber grundsätzlich ist das erstmal das, was der erste Release der API mit sich bringen wird. Längerfristig kommen natürlich weitere Funktionen hinzu - wir werden dazu noch eine neue Sektion im Forum eröffnen, wo man explizite Feature- und Funktionswünsche für die API posten kann.

Quote from Skarafass

Ist das der erste Schritt, dass Gebäude wie Windmühlen (die wir ja schon bei uns stehen haben) später funktionieren können und wir nicht alles neu machen müssen, weil sonst andere Größen reinkämen?

Ja, sowas wie Windmühlen wären damit möglich. Das Gebäude an sich würde man ganz normal bauen (wie jetzt auch), nur die Flügel könnte man als 3D Modell ins Spiel laden und drehen lassen. Schon hätte man eine funktionierende (also zumindestens von visueller Seite) Windmühle

Quote from Skarafass

Wie wird das nun mit der Lava? Wird man die irgendwann im "gm 1" so setzen können wie bisher Boden, Erze und Wasser?

Also richtige Lava ist auf jeden Fall noch geplant. Sobald diese im Spiel ist, wird die auch genauso platzierbar sein wie Wasser.

Quote from Skarafass

Wird es später auch Treibsand geben (ebenfalls im "gm 1" setzbar)?

Das ist eine gute Frage... interessant wäre das auf jeden Fall, müssen wir mal im Hinterkopf behalten

Quote from Skarafass

Aber mir fehlt da was am Wasser

Richtige Wasserfälle sind leider schwierig Ohne dem Wasser etwas an Dynamik zu geben klappt das nicht so richtig. Es wird also leider noch dauern, bis sowas in greifbarere Nähe rücken wird...

Quote from Deirdre

mir macht eher Gedanken, ob es alle Lua-Scripts auch für Java geben wird [...] bzw. werden die Scripts für Java umgewandelt und wer macht das

Es hängt grundsätzlich von den Personen ab, die die Lua Skripte erstellt haben. Wir werden auf jeden Fall ein neues AreaProtection Plugin anbieten.

Quote from Deirdre

Wird es dann auch ein ausgefeilteres Moddingsystem geben?

Was genau meinst du mit "Moddingsystem"?

Quote from TutMeistensNix

Also von mir wird nix mehr kommen da ich bei Java raus bin.

Ich würde wirklich empfehlen, zumindestens den Release der Java API abzuwarten Ein Plugin zu schreiben wird sich nur geringfügig davon unterscheiden, ein Lua Skript zu schreiben. Natürlich müssen ein paar Java Eigenheiten beachtet werden, aber wenn man in der Lage war, Lua Skripte zu schreiben, behaupte ich wird man auch schnell den Zugang zu den Plugins finden. Der große Vorteil ist, dass von Anfang an alle Funktionen und Methoden dokumentiert sind, du also direkt sehen kannst, was eine Funktion genau bewirkt (stellenweise auch mit Beispielen). Vor allem wenn die Dokumentation in die Entwicklungsumgebung eingebunden wird erhälst du diese Hinweise direkt während der Programmierens bereits.

Quote from hkurzawa

Wird es Taucherausrüstungen geben?

Ja, das ist in Arbeit, wird aber leider erst zusammen mit der neuen Spielerfigur erscheinen.

Quote from Elschira

oder diese Dinge auf Java umschreiben und für alle zur Verfügung stellen

Eigentlich ist das tatsächlich wie @TheMrMik schon sagt eher etwas, was die ursprünglichen Autoren der Lua Skripte machen müssten. Würden wir fremde Lua Skripte einfach umschreiben, wäre das ja einerseits fast schon Diebstahl (dasselbe wäre wenn wir irgendein Texturenpack oder eine Mod nehmen und ohne Erlaubnis des Erstellers ins Spiel einpflegen würden), andererseits wäre es aber auch sehr zeitaufwändig (und diese Zeit wird in der Entwicklung von RW dringend gebraucht). Ich bin aber zuversichtlich, dass viele ihre Lua Skripte umschreiben werden, oder dass viele neue Plugins erscheinen werden. Gerade durch die Dokumentation, die von Anfang an vorhanden sein wird, ist es viel einfacher (und weniger nervenaufreibend), Plugins zu schreiben (sodass sich bestimmt auch mehr Leute diesem Thema annehmen werden).
Es ist zwar zugegebenermaßen etwas suboptimal, den Wechsel von Lua zu Java jetzt "so spät" zu vollziehen, aber es ist langfristig unbedingt notwendig (und dann ist es natürlich besser, das jetzt noch während der Alpha zu machen).

The journal.xml looks fine, I was able to load it successfully oO Does the server really restart? There is no cache or something like this, so after a restart the server reads the journal file again.
Does it work when restarting the game (usually it's sufficient to just reconnect to the server)?

Quote from Chrisx84

Btw why xml and not json for the server notes?

Why using json for this? XML provides better readability in this case, especially due to its support for attributes. The only "issues" with XML is the trouble with reserved characters, and the fact that it's more "wordy", resulting in slightly bigger files (but this doesn't matter in this case, since the server reads the file and converts it into an internal "journal" object [and serializes it in order to send it to the client], so the actual filesize has no influence on memory consumption or traffic or whatever).

Quote from zfoxfire

I hope that some journal access will come eventually to the api

Well, at least it's our intention that each plugin is able to create custom pages in the journal (independent of the "server notes" section). We will also add more elements to the journal like textfields, lists and checkboxes, so it will be possible to control the plugin or call certain functions with the journal. Of course that's just optional, alternatively one could still use commands etc. However, I'm afraid this won't be available with the first release of the new API

Doesn't the journal load up at all, or is still only the "old" journal accessible? If no journal loads up, it's most likely a syntax error in the xml, as @Miwarre suspected (but the serverlog will contain an error output then).

Thanks for the feedback

Quote from ArcticuKitsu

Here's to hoping there's a way for them to spawn in already spawned chunks for those multiplayer servers by checking if there's player made blocks in a given radius, or not

Basically dungeons will only spawn in unexplored areas. Or in other words, only in those areas where nothing has been built yet (more precisely, when you build something, the whole "worldpart" will be saved, which consists of 64x64 chunks).

Quote from zfoxfire

Creepy.. that was post # 666 for me.

That explains everything... I felt a great disturbance in the Force!

Quote from Miwarre

Another useful addition which does not seem to fall into any of the listed categories is the possibility to add a player to a group programmatically, in practice a script equivalent of the setplayergroup command.

Yes, that will be possible

Quote from zfoxfire

When custom models come, we need to be able to support simple animations and that animation needs to be synced for all players in a multi-player environment

Animations are not supported at the moment, at least no skeletal or keyframe animations, so you can just load a static 3d model. However, of course you can move and rotate the model, so for example a rotating windmill will be possible, or doors which can be opened etc.

Quote from ArcticuKitsu

ondly, I do hope Red51 is making alternate statues because those are needed in the dungeons. A perfect time to insert more

Agree!

Quote from ozmods

just a question for @red51 how difficult is it going to be add models to this game, I've done a lot of games over the years, in various formats, but never java.

It will be relatively easy You can just select a model file from your harddrive (supported formats: obj, 3ds, fbx), the game loads it automatically and transfers it to the client as soon as you "spawn" the model in the world. There will be a documentation available, and when working with an IDE (e.g. Netbeans or Eclipse), you can use auto-completion and see the javadoc directly (which makes life a lot easier).

Quote from TutMeistensNix

Wenn die neue Java API kommt, kann man dann die alte Lua API nicht mehr benutzen?

Die Lua API wird tatsächlich verschwinden, nach dem Release der Java API wird Lua aber übergangsweise noch für einen gewissen Zeitraum (vielleicht 1-2 Monate) unterstützt. Bevor Lua dann endgültig rausfliegt, sagen wir auf jeden Fall nochmal Bescheid.

Quote from hkurzawa

Sieht vielversprechend und sehr schön aus. Wird das ganze auch die Performanze beeinträchtigen?

Die Performance wird nur unwesentlich beeinträchtigt Die Weltgenerierung wird marginal verlangsamt (da ja dann die Dungeons mitgeneriert werden), das sollte aber kaum spürbar sein. Auf die Framerate hat das eigentlich keinen Einfluss^^

Do you use it in singleplayer or on a multiplayer server? When playing singleplayer, you have to reload the world in order to update the journal, when playing multiplayer, you have to restart the server after replacing the xml file

Hi folks! A new update will be available soon, but today we want to give some information about two important upcoming features.

Dungeons
As you know we're currently working on dungeons, they're going to be available very soon. This includes various underground dungeons, underwater ruins, but also other "abandoned" buildings like old shacks in the woods. Here we have two preview screenshots for you (still work-in-progress):

https://images.rising-world.net/preview/dungeons/java 2016-07-27 20-53-18-77.jpg

https://images.rising-world.net/preview/dungeons/java 2016-07-27 21-08-28-23.jpg

Plugin API
We are also working on a new, Java based plugin API, which will replace the current Lua API. The new API allows you to create custom "gamemodes" and influence the gameplay, basically it can be considered as a "lite version" of Modding. The first release of the plugin API allows you to (among others):

• Take control of various events
• Create custom gui elements, including images
• Place and move custom 3d models in the world
• Get full access to the world database
• Query keyboard events of a player
• Spawn items and modify player inventories

The new API will have a proper documentation from the very beginning, unlike the current Lua API.

Stay tuned!

Hallo Leute! Ein neues Update wird bald verfügbar sein, aber heute möchten wir euch ein paar Informationen über zwei wichtige kommende Features geben.

Dungeons
Wie ihr wisst arbeiten wir momentan an Dungeons, diese werden bald verfügbar sein. Es wird unterirdische Dungeons und Unterwasser Ruinen beinhalten, aber auch andere "verlassene" Gebäude wie zB alte Hütten im Wald. Hier sind zwei Vorschau Screenshots für euch (momentan noch in Arbeit):

https://images.rising-world.net/preview/dungeons/java 2016-07-27 20-53-18-77.jpg

https://images.rising-world.net/preview/dungeons/java 2016-07-27 21-08-28-23.jpg

Plugin API
Wir arbeiten ebenfalls an einer neuen, Java basierten Plugin API, welche die aktuelle Lua API ersetzen wird. Die neue API erlaubt es eigene "Gamemodes" zu erstellen und das Gameplay zu beeinflussen, im Grunde kann es als eine "Lite Variante" von Modding betrachtet werden. Der erste Release der Plugin API wird unter anderem ermöglichen:

• Kontrolle über verschiedene Events zu übernehmen
• Eigene GUI Elemente zu erzeugen, inkl. Bilder
• Eigene 3D Modelle in der Spielwelt zu platzieren
• Volle Kontrolle über die Weltdatenbank zu erhalten
• Tastatureingaben des Spielers abzufragen
• Items zu spawnen und Spielerinventare zu bearbeiten

Die neue API wird von Anfang an eine angemessene Dokumentation haben, im Gegensatz zur Lua API.

Bleibt gespannt!

Leider gibt es im Savannabiom keine Seen. Ein Seed, mit welchem du aber direkt neben einem See spawnst, wäre Lake

Falls das Löschen des Cache Ordners nicht hilft, könntest du mir die Welt ggf. zusenden?

Ich habe dir die fehlende Datei mal manuell hochgeladen, versuche die zip Datei herunterzuladen und ins "data/assets" Unterverzeichnis zu entpacken (die bestehende Datei also ersetzen). Danach sollte es eigentlich funktionieren.
Hier der Downloadlink: https://download.rising-world.…ort/20160724/textures.zip

Die Datei ist immernoch fehlerhaft, d.h. der Download wird nicht richtig ausgeführt oder bricht ab. Was für eine Internetverbindung hast du genau? Ist dein Computer über WLAN oder Kabel mit dem Router verbunden?
Probiere sonst erneut die textures.jar zu löschen und neu herunterzuladen.