Forum update (4.1)

Nice job Red.Thank you. Cannot wait for the news!!

Awesome once again Freaks R US can lead in innovation with that API update *happy dance*
stand by for more inspirational magic follks !

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Although it's not related to the game, but just as a small notification: We updated the forum to the latest version (4.1). This brings some nice features, among others:

• Your posts will be saved as draft automatically (so they don't get lost when closing the tab accidentally)
• Optional delayed publishing of your topics
• Like system for some sections (suggestions, blueprints, tutorials, images)
• Images in your post can be resized
• Ability to attach files to your post directly

By the way, expect some game-related news about the upcoming dungeons and the Plugin API shortly

I'm hoping we can create our own dungeons, i have ideas galore for EffenDor

bring on the new API, im ready to do what i been dieing to do to VorNet that will really WOW alot of players and server owners.

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By the way, expect some game-related news about the upcoming dungeons and the Plugin API shortly

Not trying to say anything to upset anyone, but when you say shortly what does this in-tell, as you announced the move to Java back in Nov, so it's been 8 months already, and I know that the scripters that I know have been pretty much sitting on their hands since then waiting for the move. Just curious on a time table is all... and hoping it's not going to be another 8 months.

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I'm hoping we can create our own dungeons, i have ideas galore for EffenDor

i'm curious about what you had in mind

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Right now we're mainly working on the Plugin API (as well as on a documentation, which consumes most of the time),

Well, documentation is always a pain in the neck to produce and there is never enough of it! Nevertheless, at this stage, some Javadoc would already be great!

im sorry but shortly usually implies within afew hours, not afew days.

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Not trying to say anything to upset anyone, but when you say shortly what does this in-tell, as you announced the move to Java back in Nov, so it's been 8 months already, and I know that the scripters that I know have been pretty much sitting on their hands since then waiting for the move. Just curious on a time table is all... and hoping it's not going to be another 8 months.

All I can say is that I hope and pray that Rising World NEVER ports over to Java. Almost half of my "Village Life" mod pack for Minecraft is filled with optimization mods to let the game handle objects better, or to free up memory. Since I was focusing on a concept that needed lots of NPC's, objects, and multiblock structures I pretty much had to be really careful and even so I never authorized it for server use . . . though with almost 8000 uploads people have asked for server support. The best I can tell them is to play a lan game. It's what i do when I want to play the pack with my wife.

It is, unfortunately, very tricky to get Java to do a lot of basic gaming tasks efficiently . . . a programmer can do it, but other languages like C make the job a lot simpler. Minecraft is pretty much the only game I know of coded from the ground up in Java and Notch has admitted it was only meant to be a little proof of concept thing.

One thing I have been excited about is seeing how rising world could perform with large cities, lots of objects, lots of NPC's, lots of machinery with moving parts . . . all based on a platform that escapes the limits of Java.

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All I can say is that I hope and pray that Rising World NEVER ports over to Java. Almost half of my "Village Life" mod pack for Minecraft is filled with optimization mods to let the game handle objects better, or to free up memory. Since I was focusing on a concept that needed lots of NPC's, objects, and multiblock structures I pretty much had to be really careful and even so I never authorized it for server use . . . though with almost 8000 uploads people have asked for server support. The best I can tell them is to play a lan game. It's what i do when I want to play the pack with my wife.
It is, unfortunately, very tricky to get Java to do a lot of basic gaming tasks efficiently . . . a programmer can do it, but other languages like C make the job a lot simpler. Minecraft is pretty much the only game I know of coded from the ground up in Java and Notch has admitted it was only meant to be a little proof of concept thing.

One thing I have been excited about is seeing how rising world could perform with large cities, lots of objects, lots of NPC's, lots of machinery with moving parts . . . all based on a platform that escapes the limits of Java.

the whole game is written in Java, so adding the API written in Java woudn't make a difference

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All I can say is that I hope and pray that Rising World NEVER ports over to Java. [...] It is, unfortunately, very tricky to get Java to do a lot of basic gaming tasks efficiently

I was 'born' as a programmer when C++ had yet to come, C was the default and it was still customary to code routines in assembly when efficiency was a top concern. So, I can understand @Winddbourne concerns. Still, much water has flown under those bridges and Java can nowadays be considered a full-fledged programming language. It has some shortcomings, but any language has its own. Rising World is entirely written in Java, as Wurm Unlimited is and, I assume, several other games or large scale programmes I cannot think of on the spot.

On the other hand, no matter of the language either the core or the API or both are written in, a plug-in/add-on/mod API will almost inevitably face some complexities and 'rough edges', as it has to interface with the core somewhat 'from outside', with inevitable duplications of tasks and of code and other inefficiencies, not to mention that it can only be assigned a portion of the execution time, without stealing too much from the core threads. So, implementing an entire new 'sub-game' via a scripting API will always raise efficiency concerns, regardless of the implementation language.

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All I can say is that I hope and pray that Rising World NEVER ports over to Java. Almost half of my "Village Life" mod pack for Minecraft is filled with optimization mods to let the game handle objects better, or to free up memory. Since I was focusing on a concept that needed lots of NPC's, objects, and multiblock structures I pretty much had to be really careful and even so I never authorized it for server use . . . though with almost 8000 uploads people have asked for server support. The best I can tell them is to play a lan game. It's what i do when I want to play the pack with my wife.
It is, unfortunately, very tricky to get Java to do a lot of basic gaming tasks efficiently . . . a programmer can do it, but other languages like C make the job a lot simpler. Minecraft is pretty much the only game I know of coded from the ground up in Java and Notch has admitted it was only meant to be a little proof of concept thing.

One thing I have been excited about is seeing how rising world could perform with large cities, lots of objects, lots of NPC's, lots of machinery with moving parts . . . all based on a platform that escapes the limits of Java.

dude. the server side plugins for RW right now is lua and we all know how single threaded and pain in the (bad word here) lua really is, so a switch to java is badly needed.

Anyone else noticing that there isn't a like button or is it Chrome just messing with me?

it's just on posters and blueprint

Thanks @joni909